Oct 1, 2009
Washington - Boston4-1 

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1  36:25  Hit  Pothier-Bitz
2  39:55  Hit  Ovechkin-Recchi
3  49:43  Fight  Erskine-Thornton

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 Brian Pothier  (Aggressor) 6'0'' 5198lb 17None
 Byron Bitz  (Victim) 6'5'' 5215lb 17


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 Alex Ovechkin  (Aggressor) 6'2'' 4238lb 44None
 Mark Recchi  (Victim) 5'10'' 4194lb 44
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 mi44
547 fight reviews

Oct 1, 2009 19:14 ET
With time winding down in the second period of this season opener, Mark Recchi is skating in open ice in the Boston zone. He passes the puck off, and shortly after, Alex Ovechkin lays a hard, clean hit on Recchi. Zdeno Chara takes offense to Ovechkin's hit, and gets in his face, taking a cross checking penalty in the process. Fun 
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Oneill.the.Giant
Oct 2, 2009 04:16 ET
Ovechkin the Great...Reply
TheDanLine
Oct 2, 2009 10:50 ET
Oh yes indeed.Reply
LETEMGO
Oct 3, 2009 18:23 ET
Recchi's a bum. Way too slow for this league, Bruins can't be this desperate can they?Reply


Fight at 49:43
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 John Erskine 6'4'' 2220lb 3841None
 Shawn Thornton 6'2'' 2217lb 3841
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 Oneill.the.Giant
11332 fight reviews

Oct 2, 2009 04:45 ET
Draw Fun 
5
John Erskine gives Shawn Thornton a few checks in the back while they were battling for the puck in the corner of the Washington end of the ice. Thornton was not happy about the checks and they swap a few words with each other before they dropped their gloves and grabbed a hold of each other.

They locked on to each other with both holding on tightly for a second or two at the start, before Thornton threw a right hand that fell short and Erskine respond with two right hands that also fell short of the target. Thornton then threw a weak upper cut that fell short but he then landed a right cross on Erskine jaw. Erskine then threw a left jab and straight right hand in response but only landed the jab..

Thornton then threw another right hand at Erskine but this missed and he then attempted a couple of jersey jabs with his left hand. Erskine then landed a glancing right hand on Thornton but had to take a right hand in return. Both guys then threw one more right hand each before Thornton pulled Erskine's jersey over his head and the lino's came in to end the fight.



OK fight between these two decent heavyweight fighters. Overall this fight looked about even to me with both landing a similar amount of punches and neither guy getting the upper hand. I think Thornton deliberately pulled the jersey over Erskine head at the end of the bout so the lino's could come in and end it. I was thinking maybe his stamina was not up for the fight to go any longer so he was looking for a way to end it. I'm going to call this fight a draw.

Draw.
 SarcasticPillow
20774 fight reviews
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Oct 2, 2009 10:53 ET
Draw Fun 
5
John Erskine pushes Shawn Thornton down while they battle for the puck down low. Thornton gets up but then takes a few crosschecks in the back from Erskine. Thornton turns around and challenges Erskine. Thornton drops the gloves and gets a hold of Erskine. Erskine then drops his gloves and grabs onto Thornton. They stand back and Thornton misses an overhand right. Then Erskine throws two over the top rights that don't connect. Thornton misses a right from underneath and after pausing, connects with a right over the top. Erskine lands a jersey jab and then an overhand right. Thornton counters with an overhand right that doesn't land and Erskine misses an overhand right afterwards. Erskine prods Thornton a little, then Thornton connects on a jersey jab. Erskine lands an over the top right and Thornton counters with a connecting right over the top. Erskine then misses an overhand right as his helmet is removed by Thornton. Erskine's jersey also comes up over his head and then Thornton lands an overhand right. Erskine misses a right and gets his head out of his jersey but Thornton jerseys Erskine right away. The linesmen then step in and break it up. Alright tilt between two heavyweights. Pretty even in my eyes.
 Ganon18
3345 fight reviews

Oct 3, 2009 01:28 ET
Draw Fun 
5
Boston is losing the game and Shawn Thornton tries to spark his team in the third period. He challenges the toughest guy on the opposite team and the gloves go down in the Capitals' zone. Erskine falls short with the first punch as they start staring at each other. Thornton scores one grazing right to the jaw but receives two blows to the helmet. They grapple for a bit more and Thornton misses with an uppercut. He clearly connects with his next shot while Erskine responds with a left jersey jab and a good right hand, which lands flush as well. John avoids a cross and hits the bucket with a big swing. Thornton answers with a decent right to the face and takes off John's helmet. Erskine scores another helmet shot but the sweater accidentally covers his head. Thornton lands a solid right and Erskine frees his melon. Thornton receives one slight shot and blinds Erksine again, giving linesmen the chance to break it up.

Ok fight between these two tough customers. Thornton's punches were a bit cleaner but it was looking very even for the most part so I score this one as a draw.
 Penz
196 fight reviews

Oct 1, 2009 18:08 ET
Draw Fun 
5
Not a great fight, they both trade rights, at one point Erskine gets his head stuck in his Jersey, but Thornton cant Capatalize and Erskine gets out of it. Draw
 Sonrofey
192 fight reviews

Oct 1, 2009 18:17 ET
Draw Fun 
4
The 4th line is out for Boston, taking the body and trying to get the energy level up with Boston down by three. A determined Thornton delivers a check and takes the puck from behind the Washington net. Erskine follows and sends Thornton hard into the boards. With Thornton still down, Erskine gives a solid cross check to the back of Thornton. As the play moves up ice, Thornton and Erskine are behind the play giving each other a few whacks before shedding the gloves to the right of Theodore.

Both wanted to throw with the rights, however they had a difficult time trying to connect with any punches as each were tying the other up. At one point, Thornton might have landed a punch and is able to get Erskine's sweater over his head, however Erskine recovers just as the fight is broken up. Thornton perhaps a little more active in throwing, but nothing connected in the bout for a draw.
 BattleshipRules
13195 fight reviews

Sep 26, 2015 04:52 ET
Shawn Thornton narrow win Fun 
5
Erskine went looking for trouble. He knocked down Thornton and continued to rough him up. Shawn was ready to throw down. He missed two punches and landed a solid right. John missed two blows and landed a decent left. He landed an average right. Thornton landed a partial connect and missed a punch. He landed an average blow and missed a shot. He landed an average shot. Erskine landed a partial connect and missed two punches. The jersey came over John's head and the refs stopped the fight.

I rate this as a narrow win for Thornton. I thought his blows were more effective in the close contest.
skacore
1090 fight reviews

Oct 1, 2009 18:10 ET
Shawn Thornton narrow win Fun 
5
Erskine is roughing up Thornton along the boards and Thornton has had enough and gives Erskine a whack and challenges him. Erskine accepts and they go... they trade a few punches then Thornton gets the jersey up over Erskine's head and controls the latter half of the fight but doesn't do a whole lot of damage, narrow win on first viewing.
re
9280 fight reviews

Oct 2, 2009 05:00 ET
Draw Fun 
4
Both connect on a few. Then Thornton pulls the jersey over Erskine's head. The linesmen quickly jump in when the jersey is over Erskine's face and the fight is broken up.
mullet
19969 fight reviews

Oct 2, 2009 10:24 ET
Shawn Thornton narrow win Fun 
5
Not much landed but in the end Thornton seemed to land one or two rights, I think Thornton gets the narrow win in this one.
Penguins.Bees.Fan82
3232 fight reviews

Oct 25, 2013 13:52 ET
Draw Fun 
5
TheDanLine
11230 fight reviews

Jan 6, 2015 14:11 ET
Draw Fun 
5
Malt
204 fight reviews

Oct 12 07:51 ET
Draw Fun 
5
Erskine is giving Thornton the business along the boards, and a visibly agitated Thornton gets up and challenges him. They lock up and throw a few. Thornton landed 2 or 3, Erskine landed 1 before Thornton gets the jersey over his opponent's head.
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Sonrofey
Oct 1, 2009 20:02 ET
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Brozzy525
Oct 2, 2009 03:18 ET
i watched it once, it looked like thorton got the narrow win.Reply
Oneill.the.Giant
Oct 2, 2009 04:46 ET
I think Thornton deliberately pulled the jersey over Erskine head at the end of the bout so the lino's could come in and end it. I was thinking maybe his stamina was not up for the fight to go any longer so he was looking for a way to end it.Reply
srehm1
Oct 2, 2009 05:49 ET
I personally thought the jersey coming over his head was more of an incidental thing and something that happens at times in fights. I don't think he was trying to end it early at all. It's not like this fight was a barn burner or marathon or anything like that. Erskine played much more than Thornton in this game and I believe it would've been him who had the stamina issue if anything. To call it a deliberate move by Thornton is really reaching if you ask me. They both appeared to be trying to throw shots and this will happen at times. Who knows? Maybe Erskine allowed the jersey to go over his head because his stamina wasn't up to it and he knew the linesmen would come in and end it? I don't think that was the case but your nit-picking if you think he did it 'deliberately' because his 'stamina was not up for the fight' as you stated. Maybe Erskine was looking for a way to end it?Reply
michiann
Oct 2, 2009 06:12 ET
As much as i dislike the guy, I think you have to say that thornton won by a narrow margin.Reply
Oneill.the.Giant
Oct 2, 2009 06:55 ET
The 1st time the jersey came over the head it was accidental. Then as soon as Erskine pops his head out Thornton quickly pulls the jersey back over again.. It looked to me like what Thornton done in another fight I think it was last year. This was another close fight and at the end of it it looked to me as if Thornton jersey'd the guy so the lino's would come in and end it.. The 1st time i said to my mates that he done it on purpose but I gave him the benefit of doubt, but now he's done it again it seems like a pattern to me..Reply
srehm1
Oct 2, 2009 07:14 ET
Of all the fights Thornton has had in the NHL, you are picking 2 fights in which the jersey got over his opponents head and you are calling it a pattern? I'll be honest, I don't see this kind of pattern at all from Thornton. Last year the jersey went up over Colton Orr's head in their fight but it happend early in the fight and was also incidental. Thornton even let up so as not to hit a blinded and vulnerable Orr. He wasn't gassed or looking for an exit in that fight either. Can you recall any other instances? Sounds like your reaching to me. He's fought a lot the last 2 years and I can't recall any other times he tried to jersey a guy to end a fight. He's always been pretty solid to me. I think you're possibly being overly critical of Thornton and reading too much into it.Reply
Oneill.the.Giant
Oct 2, 2009 13:00 ET
Quote from message by srehm1
Of all the fights Thornton has had in the NHL, you are picking 2 fights in which the jersey got over his opponents head and you are calling it a pattern?


It's happened twice in his last few fights that why it's looking like a pattern he's starting..
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srehm1
Oct 2, 2009 15:06 ET
I guess we'll have to disagree then. He hasn't done it this year except for this fight. He did it once last year against Orr and you even mentioned in your own review that you didn't think he did it deliberately. Watching the clip of that fight it really does look like the kind of thing that happens from time to time in a fight. Considering those are probably the only two examples your likely to find, I'm willing to bet it is more of an incidental type thing and not something to read too much into. Certainly nothing along the lines of what, lets say BGL does by wrasslin' guys down to end fights prematurely and on his own terms. For a guy that is 6'1, Thornton should get the props he deserves for slugging it out with the monsters in the game today - not insinuations that he bails or jerseys guys on purpose to end fights on his own terms - when he's probably done it twice in 83 NHL fights.Reply
Ganon18
Oct 3, 2009 01:36 ET
Quote from message by Oneill.the.Giant
I think Thornton deliberately pulled the jersey over Erskine head at the end of the bout so the lino's could come in and end it. I was thinking maybe his stamina was not up for the fight to go any longer so he was looking for a way to end it.
I agree with this point... Thornton clearly put the jersey over Erskine's head and instead of unloading the punches - hugged him, giving signal to the refs. I'm not saying this is a pattern or really criminal...but this looks to me this way.
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Oneill.the.Giant
Oct 3, 2009 02:34 ET
Quote from message by srehm1
For a guy that is 6'1, Thornton should get the props he deserves for slugging it out with the monsters in the game today


I give Thornton respect for being a teams top fighter but I don't give any extra props to him over the likes of Hordi, Cote, Domi, Janssen, Berube, Vial, Kruse, Boulton, or any of the other smaller heavyweights who have played in the league as heavyweight scrappers... They are heavyweights and they are expected to fight for the team against anyone...
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sickboy
Oct 3, 2009 03:10 ET
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srehm1
Oct 3, 2009 04:26 ET
Yeah thanks for only responding to certain parts of my messages. I guess people hate admitting when they're wrong. Honestly, Thornton should be given props for fighting the fights and NOT BAILING or looking for a way to end fights in this era. He is at a big disadvantage size-wise, yet still goes out and does his job without seeking an early exit in fights. It's not like Laraque who wrassles and body slams his way out of fights. BGL is 6'3, 260 pounds and considered an elite enforcer - yet you made no mention in your Laraque-Orr review of BGL finding the escape hatch. Made no mention at all or posted multiple times about the clear cut pattern that BGL has developed of getting out of fights early. However you go out of your way to belittle Shawn Thornton across multpile sites for something he's done a scant few times in his career - and something that can easily be viewed as basically nothing or incidental. Thanks.Reply
Oneill.the.Giant
Oct 3, 2009 05:57 ET
Don't worry about it..

Just because it's one of your guys you want to give him extra props go ahead..

But make sure and mention all the other small fighters out their that do the same for their teams like Neil, Cote, Hordichuk, Boulton, Janssen, Boll and Barch. These guys all do the same week in and week out just like Thornton.. There's loads of guys from the past that have been giving up size and weight to top guys and done much better than Thornton, so I'll give him extra props when he deserves it.....

Domi, Berube, Vial, Laus, Ray I give these guys more props as they are small and beat top class guys over their careers..



And I was not the only one to see Thornton pull the head over the jersey stunt.. I rate Thornton as a decent enough tough guy, but I don't give guys extra props for doing a job they are supposed to be doing fighting the other teams top guy no matter what size they are....
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srehm1
Oct 3, 2009 06:17 ET
You called it a pattern that he tries to jersey guys and I asked you to show me more than what 2 times he's done it in his whole career? I asked why you are inconsistant calling out Thornton for trying to get out of fights early yet you make no mention at all of Laraque looking for an early exit in the Orr fight - a pattern that is much more plain as day than anything Thornton is doing. You also went out of your way to post that nonsense on several sites yet again nothing mentioned of Laraque - a legitemate monster HW who is not a small HW by any means bailing and looking for an exit when the going gets hot. Who's playing favorites now?

All those smaller HW's you mentioned should get praised for the job they do - however you didn't go out of your way to accuse them of bailing. You accused Thornton of it - that's why I mentioned him. In todays game with much bigger monster enforcers, he doesn't bail and is willing to go toe to toe with anyone.

Like I said find me some more examples of this pattern of jerseying guys by Thornton other than two questionable times that could easily be called incidental and something that happens in fights. You avoided this question because you can't answer it. You should have simply posted a review instead of going on three sites underlining how Thornton bailed or wanted to get out of a fight early.

I know Laraque is your boy so you go out of your way to call out Thornton for bailing? Hypocritical statement because Laraque has bailed plenty of times with wrasslin' throw downs. Quite inconsistant on your part to call out Thornton for bailing or looking to end a fight early when Laraque has done it several times in the past and has established a clear cut pattern of doing so. Yet no mention at all of that in your review of the Laraque-Orr fight - or no mention over three sites of him doing so with special underlining for emphasis.

I think your call is inconsistant and you play favorites. I never even reviewed the Thornton-Erskine fight, which I thought was a draw. Am I playing favorites now?
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Oneill.the.Giant
Oct 3, 2009 06:58 ET
Quote from message by srehm1
You called it a pattern that he tries to jersey guys and I asked you to show me more than what 2 times he's done it in his whole career?
I called it a pattern because it happened twice in a short space of fights..

Quote from message by srehm1
You also went out of your way to post that nonsense on several sites yet again nothing mentioned of Laraque - a legitemate monster HW who is not a small HW by any means bailing and looking for an exit when the going gets hot. Who's playing favorites now?


Again you go using size as if it matters.. A top fighter is a top fighter... and Laraque is not my boy, he's one of dozens of fighters I like.... I respect him for being one of the best around for so long and for fighting the best about.. You need to go look at peoples reviews before you say they play favourites.. I would say mine is one of the least bias records on this site or any other..

Quote from message by srehm1
All those smaller HW's you mentioned should get praised for the job they do - however you didn't go out of your way to accuse them of bailing. You accused Thornton of it


Again you mention the size of guys..lol.. and if i saw them pulling a jersey over the head to get the lino's to finish the fight I will call it.. It's not like I dislike Thornton and called him on it because of that.. I called it because it was so noticeable..

Quote from message by srehm1
that's why I mentioned him. In todays game with much bigger monster enforcers, he doesn't bail and is willing to go toe to toe with anyone.
So does so many other guys in the NHL who are smaller than the few really big heavyweights, So what ? that's what they are paid to do.. If he did not do this he would be out of a job and another guy would take his place and the fighters know this..

Quote from message by srehm1
Like I said find me some more examples of this pattern of jerseying guys by Thornton other than two questionable times that could easily be called incidental and something that happens in fights. You avoided this question because you can't answer it.


Like I said it looks like the start of a pattern.. and I gave an opinion on it as that's what forums are for, and I wanted to see what other people thought... Some agreed with me and you obviously did not...

Quote from message by srehm1
I know Laraque is your boy so you go out of your way to call out Thornton for bailing? Hypocritical statement because Laraque has bailed plenty of times with wrasslin' throw downs. Quite inconsistant on your part to call out Thornton for bailing or looking to end a fight early when Laraque has done it several times in the past and has established a clear cut pattern of doing so. Yet no mention at all of that in your review of the Laraque-Orr fight - or no mention over three sites of him doing so with special underlining for emphasis.
Again Laraque is not my boy.. Out of all the heavyweights in the NHL he would only be my 5th/ 6th favourite guy.. I mentioned at the end of last season that I thought McGrattan went to the ice to easy in his fight with Shelley I think it was.. I'm a fan of Gratts but called it the way I saw it not the way I hoped people would view it..

Quote from message by srehm1
I think your call is inconsistant and you play favorites. I never even reviewed the Thornton-Erskine fight, which I thought was a draw. Am I playing favorites now?
Nobodies saying you are playing favourites but what I'm pointing out is Thornton is your enforcer and your defending him and giving your view.. I'm neither for or against Thornton and I'm giving mine.. and again if you look on any site you'll see I never play favourites..
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srehm1
Oct 3, 2009 07:13 ET
Ok cool. No problem. thanks for the debate, oneil. I just thought it was odd that you called out Thornton for trying to end a fight early yet made no such mention over all these sites of Laraque doing it yet again against Orr. Cheers, mate.Reply
Oneill.the.Giant
Oct 3, 2009 07:34 ET
No probs man.. I just replied to your PM on NHL fight club.. I enjoy a good debate especially when it from a knowledgeable guy like yourself..Reply
LukeLaC
Oct 5, 2009 10:57 ET
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