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| Duration 0:18 | Thrown | Landed | Big |
| Pierre Bouchard | 6'2''  6 | 205lb 30 | 8 | 2 | 0 | Rivers Of Blood |
| Stan Jonathan | 5'8''  6 | 175lb 30 | 14 | 8 | 3 |
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 bzane
16 fight reviews
Jun 17, 2008 23:17 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
10 |
The Jonathan-Bouchard fight has been reviewed and analysed slightly more often than The War Between the States, but I would like to add a couple of observations, both stylistic and historical, that elevate this battle to the epic status it enjoys.
I would first commend, or thank the gods for the pure luck of it, that video footage of Jonathan-Bouchard is readily available and of rare quality, lending it well to technical examination- or just watching for pure excitement. The Boston announcer, Fred Cusick, cries out "Look at THIS heavyweight match-up!" at the start. Furthermore, the camera angle is so advantageous that slow-motion re-viewing shows some unique aspects that I will come to in a minute.
The match-up, as Cusick puts it, is noteworthy in itself, as Jonathan, at 5'8" and 175 lbs. gives away six inches and thirty pounds to the 6'2", 205-lb. Bouchard; and, in those pre-steroidal times, Bouchard was one of the biggest and strongest men in the league in 1978. The size disparity is immediately evident when the two men seize hold of each other's jerseys prior to throwing punches; Don Cherry in his book mentions that he was worried that Jonathan had taken on more than he could handle, here. But it's a case of a wolverine attacking a buffalo (and the buffalo impression is heightened by Bouchard's massive head of curls), where speed and ferocity win out over size and strength.
Jonathan, by the way, apart from his sheer courage to challenge such a dangerous opponent, deserves, and I have yet to see this remarked upon, major kudos for holding to the honor of a fair fight with an even start. Rather than jumping the bigger man to gain an advantage, he gives Bouchard fair warning of his intentions, and escalates only when he is answered in kind. The two come together, shoulder-to-shoulder, after a whistle, Jonathan leaning in closer than necessary to provoke things (and I completely believe that this was a tactically-initiated fight designed to give the Bruins a lift, more of which later); Bouchard in annoyance elbows him away, and says something which one assumes was the French version of "Eff off!" It is only then that Jonathan gives him a gloved swat to the face- again, not a full bare-fist punch to get a head start, but instead a challenge to combat.
Both men shed the gloves simultaneously, Bouchard perhaps even having a slight advantage as he gathers folds of Jonathan's jersey in his big, powerful hands; the strength of the big defenseman is evident as he yanks the bucking Jonathan up and down in these preliminary, grip-securing seconds. It is Bouchard who gets off first, and here is an important technical point: Bouchard's first punch strikes Jonathan's helmet; his second punch slides over the top of that helmet- and then he misses every other punch he manages to throw in this brief, furious bout. Those misses are caused by Jonathan's boxer-like skill in twisting to his left as he returns fire with his own right; Bouchard's battering-ram rights all slide by the right side of Jonathan's face. Wilfred Benitez never slipped punches better than Jonathan did, at least in the Bouchard fight. Jonathan misses most of his at the get-go, too, although he clearly lands one smack on the moustache of the Canadien, to no apparent effect.
Both fighters, by the way, should be lauded for standing up like men and trading fire in a mano-a-mano, let's-settle-this-thing manner; no post-'eighties hug-and-duck tactics here! Bouchard in particular disdains any attempts at defense, risking (to his eventual defeat) his large head to any punishment as a price to pay for firing the hardest straight rights he can throw at Jonathan. And it costs him.
It has been well-documented that Jonathan's win came largely because of his unsurpassed ability to switch hands; undeniably, the first left he throws does indeed end the fight, but I suggest that setting up this devastating shot is an almost-as-effective right- his last right- that catches Bouchard high up around the eyes, seeming to hurt the bigger man, for he stops punching and merely grabs on for a moment. The two men revolve in a half-circle, and Jonathan, rising on the toes of his skate blades to punch up at the bigger man, suddenly fires the famous overhand left that cracks into the side of Bouchard's nose, sending Pierre sagging to the ice and spattering blood in a spreading pool. What a shot that was- on the video you can see Bouchard's head shudder with the impact.
I am unable to tell from the angle whether a second left that Jonathan threw as he dropped on his fallen opponent- the wolverine finishing his prey- actually landed or caused any damage. I consider the point academic because of the utter destruction of the first, tree-felling left. Bouchard, downed on his back, flips over onto his stomach as the linesmen move to separate the two, perhaps to avoid further punishment, perhaps to allow his gushing blood to drip away from his face, for you see him sweep it away from his nose with an open hand.
So, technically- to what do we attribute Jonathan's victory? Well, bigger and stronger isn't necessarily better- there is speed and skill and punching ability to consider, just as in a boxing match. One thinks of Sugar Ray Leonard overcoming a similar height disadvantage in his fight with Thomas Hearns with timing and accuracy. Further, being the shorter man can, it would seem, work to one's advantage- Bouchard doesn't land a single blow, punching down at Jonathan; the Bulldog has better luck punching up at the taller man.
Jonathan's deft slipping of Bouchard's booming shots contributed heavily, I believe, to the outcome; as mentioned above he never gets truly punched once, allowing Stan freedom to unload his own offense unchecked.
The ambidexterity, almost unmatched, of Jonathan cannot be overemphasized; was there ever a more unexpected and undefended left in NHL history, following a mutual exchange of rights?
I have been disappointed by, and emphatically disagree with, occasional accounts of this fight that disparage Bouchard. It must be remembered that he carried into the Jonathan bout a justly-earned rep as a fearsome fighter and powerful puncher; wins over Dave Schultz (the "Hammer" himself admitting he was kayoed on his feet by a bomb from Bouchard in their playoff fight), Wayne Cashman, and Ted Irvine marked Bouchard as a major-league heavyweight and an awesome foe to challenge. Degrading Bouchard is off-base, and cheapens Stan Jonathan's remarkable accomplishment here.
Historically I would compare this fight to the equally-famous (though video-unavailable) John Ferguson-Ted Green fight of some years before- in both cases the winner took on, and defeated, a scary opponent in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Ferguson is credited with virtually winning the series for Montreal over Boston by beating Green. I submit that Jonathan's big victory provided a similar emotional lift for the Bruins (and had a corresponding effect of deflation on the Canadiens)- and very nearly brought about what would have been a monstrous upset at the time, so dominant were the Canadiens of the last half of the 'seventies. As I recall the Bruins won not only the game featuring Jonathan-Bouchard, but the following game, in Montreal, as well; for a time the outcome of the series hung in the balance, and it seemed that the unthinkable- the Bruins beat THE CANADIENS?!- just might happen.
You can give Jonathan the credit for that. Had the Bruins pressed on to win the series, I believe the Jonathan fight would have risen to mythical status, at least in the world of hockey-fight Internet forums.
I will close with one other speculation: would Jonathan have made a world-class professional boxer, had he chosen to go this route, instead of playing ice-hockey? Remember, this guy was 175- right at the lightheavyweight limit- and beating full-sized heavyweights- like Bouchard. Now, I'm under no delusions that the average hockey enforcer would do too well in the prize ring- but Jonathan- all that speed, and heavyweight power, and accuracy- with both hands....... well, I sure would have enjoyed seeing what he could have done, given the training and the desire.
Maybe instead of arguing over whether he could have taken Tie Domi we ought to wonder if Stan Jonathan couldn't have been the light-heavyweight champion of Canada. |
BattleshipRules
2107 fight reviews
Oct 24, 2012 16:48 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
10 |
Stan Jonathan and Pierre Bouchard decided to have a go as the Bruins and Canadiens were trying to establish a physical edge on the ice. Bouchard was a good fighter with a significant edge in size. Don Cherry recollected how he felt as the fight was breaking out. He was a little worried that his little pit bull had bitten off more than he could chew.
Both men tried to set the pace with a flurry of right hands. Pierre missed with a right and landed a couple of decent shots. Bouchard continued to fire away with a flurry of rapid-fire right crosses. He missed with several blows, but landed a few decent partial connects as well.
Jonathan landed a solid blow with his first right cross. Stan missed with several follow up right hands. Pierre was just out of his range in the early stages of the fight. Stan continued to throw hard punches with bad intentions. Jonathan landed two partial connects. Stan landed two solid rights and found his desired punching distance.
Jonathan decided to switch to throwing left hands. Pierre missed with a right hand. Stan connected with a hard left hook which did a lot of damage. Bouchard went down hard to the ice. Stan missed with a left and landed a devastating right hand while Pierre was helpless on the ice.
Bouchard was badly hurt and was spouting blood from his nose. An official was trying to come to his aid and he went over to see if he was alright. John Wensink and Gilles Lupien started fighting which created a diversion. The trainer attended to Bouchard and had a towel to stop the massive flow of blood. Pierre's face was a complete mess.
I rate this as a TKO win for Jonathan. He knocked Bouchard down with a big left hook. Stan landed a crushing right hand while Pierre was on the ice. I'm not sure which punch caused the most damage. Between these two debilitating blows, Bouchard was rendered a bloody mess.
This was a chilling win for Jonathan. This incident was in the Stanley Cup finals and is still talked about by Bruins fans to the present day. It was a savage moment of barbarity. Bouchard was never the same again. He was soon jettisoned from the Montreal squad and finished his career playing with the Washington Capitals. Jonathan continued to add to his reputation as a giant killer.
Bouchard was a tough defenseman who was a good fighter. He didn't fight all that often, but he took on Dave Schultz several times. He was a physical player and there were not too many guys eager to take on the huge rearguard. I find it sad that he was hurt so badly in this bout.
Pierre was the son of Emile "Butch" Bouchard, an all-time great and Hall of Famer. He was a worthy successor to his famous dad. He was an important contributor to several Stanley Cup champions. He didn't approach the greatness of his dad, but he could be proud of his noteworthy career. There is always the chance that someone can get hurt this badly in a hockey fight. Pierre deserves all the credit in the world for fighting like a man and going out on his shield. He is sometimes dismissed by ignorant fight fans. He was a good player and fighter and deserves to be remembered for his skill and bravery. |
knight77
54 fight reviews
Feb 22 02:20 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
9 |
During their four year Stanley Cup run, the Montreal Canadiens had the toughest club in the NHL. In consecutive years, the Philadelphia Flyers ('76), Boston Bruins ('77), and Toronto Maple Leafs ('78) had all looked timid en route to being swept. The '78 Bruins had dropped the first two games of the Cup Final in Montreal, but had managed to knock off the Canadiens in game three. Boston had tried some contact in that third game, but it hadn't been a particularly physical series and there hadn't been any fighting.
Early in game four, however, Montreal coach Scotty Bowman decided to try to stir things up. Bowman sent out centre Doug Risebrough, but kept his usual linemates - Mario Tremblay and Yvon Lambert - on the bench. Four towering defencemen took the ice with Risebrough: Gilles Lupien, Larry Robinson, Serge Savard, and Pierre Bouchard. Savard was the only defenceman who never really played the enforcer role although, as Derek Sanderson once said, he (Savard) "could give you problems" in a fight.
It was difficult to figure out which defenceman would play where. As it turned out, Savard was the right winger, Bouchard the left winger, while Lupien and Robinson formed the defence tandem. Boston coach Don Cherry, who had last change, countered with a makeshift forward combination that ranked as one of the toughest lines ever iced - Stan Jonathan at centre, with Terry O'Reilly on his right and John Wensink on his left. Jonathan had sat out most of the previous series against the Canadiens, as aging left winger Johnny Bucyk played out the string.
Right off the face-off deep in the Montreal end, Lupien went after Wensink. The Bruin winger seemed to want no part of Lupien. Play moved out to the blue line, where Jonathan threw a fairly solid hit at Savard. Lupien moved in with an excuse me bump on Jonathan and then - as the whistle blew for an offside - Bouchard stuck out his leg to try to upend Wensink. Neither Wensink nor O'Reilly, who was nearby, seemed interested in pursuing the matter with the Canadiens' strongman. Enter Jonathan. The plucky little Bruin moved in on Bouchard, aggressively challenging his much larger opponent. Initially, Bouchard appeared taken aback by Jonathan's invitation and not at all eager to accept. Finally, the fight got underway, with both players trading right hands. Jonathan's helmet gave him an advantage over the unhelmeted Bouchard, but the fight looked quite even until Jonathan switched hands and knocked Bouchard down with a left. The Canadiens defenceman was cut and suffered a broken cheekbone. Jonathan's left, however, had not really looked that potent. Immediately prior to changing hands, Jonathan had unloaded a couple of big rights, leaving the observer to wonder if much of the damage was in fact done at that point. This would mean that Bouchard's tumble was caused by a combination of a delayed reaction to Jonathan's rights and the well documented left hand.
Meanwhile, Wensink had jumped Lupien and pounded away at the Canadiens defenceman. After play resumed, O'Reilly roughed up Tremblay and, for a fleeting moment, it appeared that the Habs might be run out of the Garden and out of the series. The Bruins took game four, but Montreal stabilized things and took the fifth game en route to a six game Cup victory. Bowman's gambit had nearly cost the Canadiens dearly and, for all intents and purposes, cost Bouchard his career. The Canadiens left Little Butch unprotected just prior to the start of the '78-79 season. This caused an uproar, particularly among French fans and media types, which the Habs had not anticipated. Montreal now tried to say that leaving Bouchard unprotected had been a clerical error. They went through the motions of trying to undo this "error", but the League did not permit them to do so and Bouchard was claimed by Washington.
It seems very unlikely that the Canadiens wanted Bouchard. They had already signed a bigger, younger, and more talented left defenceman in Rod Langway. Furthermore, Montreal had shown a tendency to unload any defenceman who took a really bad going over. Bob Murdoch was sent to los Angeles in the early 70's after he had absorbed a couple of thrashings. And the Canadiens completely soured on John Van Boxmeeer after he was flattened by Dave Schultz in 1974, eventually dispatching him to Colorado.
As it turned out, the Canadiens were right. After much hesitation, Bouchard resumed his career in Washington, a mere shadow of his former self. He had completely lost his swagger, and stood around while Mel Bridgman and Paul Holmgren took turns attacking Capitals' rookie defenceman Robert Picard.
Bouchard's story calls to mind an interview that Dave Schultz gave late in his rookie year
with the Flyers: "I've lost fights, but I've never been badly beaten up. I don't know how I'd react if I suffered a really bad beating. I hope that I never have to find out." |
SarcasticPillow
11276 fight reviews
May 10, 2012 12:05 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
9 |
| Pierre Bouchard and Stan Jonathan come together after a whistle stops play and with his stick, Jonathan hooks lightly onto Bouchard. Bouchard throws a couple of elbows at Jonathan and catches him in the face with the last one. Jonathan immediately lands a gloved right on Bouchard and then drops the gloves while Bouchard turns and grabs onto Jonathan. Bouchard drops his gloves and they grapple a bit, Bouchard pulling Jonathan downward and keeping his head down temporarily. Jonathan manages to get his head up though and then Bouchard throws two weak rights, landing one. Jonathan then gets his right going as Bouchard continues to throw and they go toe-to-toe. Jonathan throws ten rights and landing five, two just glancing and grazing the considerably bigger Bouchard but three connect solidly to the face and side of the head. Bouchard throws nine rights and lands seven but connects mostly to the helmet. They stop trading as they pause momentarily and Jonathan switches to the left. Bouchard lands a right and then throws a right just as Jonathan lands a big left square on the chin. Bouchard's right misses as he falls over and Jonathan throws two follow up lefts, landing one while landing on top of Bouchard on the ice. The linesmen hurry in as Jonathan switches back to the right. Jonathan stays on top of Bouchard who is on his back and unable to get up. Jonathan then lands two rights before being restrained by one the linesmen and is then moved away from Bouchard. Away from them another fight has broken out between Gilles Lupien and John Wensink. Bouchard stays down for a while and is leaking very badly while the linesman with him is also cut and bleeding quite a bit. The linesman calls for a trainer who quickly comes out and applies a towel to Bouchard's cut after he gets to his feet. They move to the benches and watch the fight between Lupien and Wensink while the linesman goes to the Boston Bruins' bench and has his cut attended to by their trainer. A ferocious fight between two tough customers. Bouchard did pretty well with his greater size early in the bout but Jonathan stood in there strong and after going to the left, caught Bouchard with a bomb that buckled him and finished the fight. TKO for Jonathan in this battle. |
SlapShot
208 fight reviews
Jul 24, 2006 12:39 ET | Stan Jonathan decisive win | Fun
8 |
| From what I saw I too, have to agree with Billiam's take on this legendary bout. I had read and heard about this fight for many years, and as I'm watching it most of what I heard was the truth. Jonathan and Bouchard are trading furiously with their right hands, and pretty evenly until Jonathan switches to his left. As this happens it looks to me like Bouchard slips in his attempts to avoid the lefts that Jonathan was throwing, and it's almost hard to tell if some of the blood came from falling into the ice or if it was all courtesy of the Jonathan lefts as he was down. Either way, I don't see that it was Jonathan's punches that dropped Bouchard so I can't call a KO but regardless of whether it's was Jonathan's fists or the ice that busted Bouchard open so badly it has to at least be ruled decisive because the zebras were obviously protecting him at that point. Classic old-school fight in the great Bruin-Canadien rivalry. |
kmooney00
33 fight reviews
Aug 25, 2006 12:24 ET | Stan Jonathan win by KO | Fun
10 |
I saw this one on TV live as a kid. My favorite hockey fight of all time. Like the Marvin Hagler vs Tommy Hearns fight, these guys only cared about one thing, throwing punches. No grappling, no spinning, no jersey pulling just punch after punch, straight shot after straight shot. Last one standing wins, and that's Jonathan.
I have to disagree with SlapShot and Billiam that it was not a punch that knocked Bouchard down. Watch the fight again. Just before Jonathan switches to his left hand, he connects perfectly with a beautiful straight right. You can see Bouchard turn his head, his knees buckle, and appears to be out at that point, and probably cut. Jonathan then switches up, and connects with some lefts, but at that point, Bouchard already appears on his way down from all the rights he has taken.
The thing that sticks with me on this fight is the vision of the blood POURING out of Bouchard's face onto the ice like water!
If I remember this correctly, I believe the linesman, D'Amico actually took a skate to the head, and was bleeding nearly as badly as Bouchard. |
EddieShore
916 fight reviews
Oct 13, 2006 23:25 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
8 |
| They both goe toe-to-toe and Bouchard is trading punches with Jonathan at an even pace, difference is that Bouchard is blocking Jonathan's punches with his face. After 10 rights, Jonathan switches to his left and finishes off Bouchard with some fine punches straight to the face. Bouchard was most likely cut by Jonathan's last punch while he was on his back. But he caught a few punches flush on earlier, which surely made some damage. Bulldog as usual didn't let anything stop him and in this instance ruined Bouchard's career. |
Cementhead
147 fight reviews
Aug 25, 2007 15:20 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
9 |
| Jonathan gives up a lot of height and weight in this one but still scores a TKO!Bouchard and Jonathan are exchanging punches in an exciting scrap when Jonathan nails Bouchard right on the beak and puts him down.Bouchard is down on the ice for a while and his nose is leaking badly! |
srehm1
358 fight reviews
Feb 24, 2008 18:21 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
10 |
This has to be the greatest Boston Bruins fight of all time. Stan Jonathan, the mighty mite, against big Pierre Bouchard of the Montreal Canadiens. I was much too young to remember this fight, but growing up in Boston whenever the topic of hockey fights is brought up, this fight is always mentioned. When I finally saw this fight I was not let down. Bouchard was huge and must have had six or seven inches on Jonathan. These two dropped the gloves and went toe to toe with right hands. Both give and take until Jonathan switches to his left. I believe his first shot lands right on the button. Bouchard went down hard taking Jonathan with him. Immediately you can see blood pouring from Bouchard's nose. It gets everywhere. Even the linesman breaking it up gets blood all over his face. I believe Wensink goes at it with someone (Lupien?) at the same time.
Jonathan takes this one in TKO fashion. A great fight during the days of the Big Bad Bruins and a hockey fight classic. |
JruGordon
394 fight reviews
Jul 25, 2004 20:21 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
9 |
| lots of blood, Jonathan destoryed Bouchard...great fight..even the ref got some blood on him...i'll post a better review later |
AJ1980
11 fight reviews
Dec 19, 2004 22:01 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
10 |
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FitzG
5 fight reviews
Mar 4, 2005 17:03 ET | Stan Jonathan decisive win | Fun
N/A |
| Ya don't mess with Stanley !! Bouchard's last game as a Canadien. |
bignuts
1 fight review
Mar 12, 2005 18:12 ET | Stan Jonathan win by KO | Fun
10 |
| Best fight I have ever seen |
billybalz
251 fight reviews
Apr 10, 2005 06:42 ET | Stan Jonathan win by KO | Fun
9 |
| get the bruins tv feed of this one....this is one of the best fights of all time....don cherry's favorite |
wags
65 fight reviews
May 15, 2005 16:45 ET | Stan Jonathan win by KO | Fun
10 |
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drwdan19
1236 fight reviews
Jul 4, 2005 08:32 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
10 |
| Jonathan decimated Bouchard. Bloodiest fight I have ever seen. Awesome. |
fanwiththeshoe
300 fight reviews
Aug 27, 2005 11:22 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
10 |
| Huge classic. Jonathan hammers away with left and right and really blodies him. Bloody and brutal event..entertaining hockey stuff. All time top five fight. |
Billiam
573 fight reviews
Sep 5, 2005 16:19 ET | Stan Jonathan decisive win | Fun
8 |
| Bouchard lost his balance and as he goes down Jonathan lands a punch that cuts him badly.. up to that point Jonathan had only a slight advantage... |
canucks
31 fight reviews
Oct 4, 2005 07:51 ET | Stan Jonathan decisive win | Fun
10 |
| Great fight. Stan's first right seems to stun Bouchard. Most of his next rights miss or makes little contact. He switch's to his left and the first punch hits the mark and Bouchard goes down to the ice |
gooftick
670 fight reviews
Nov 6, 2005 20:27 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
9 |
| bouchard simply gets worked |
MarkV
398 fight reviews
Feb 25, 2006 10:35 ET | Stan Jonathan win by KO | Fun
10 |
| Toe to Toe slugfest with both players landing, as soon as Jonathan switched hands he caught Bouchard which sent him to the ice and gave him another shot. Bouchard had blood all over his face as did the linesman. |
re
9347 fight reviews
Feb 26, 2006 05:17 ET | Stan Jonathan decisive win | Fun
10 |
They go toe to toe.
Then Jonathen throws one that lands to the back of Bouchards head which causes Bouchard to fall.
Then when Bouchard on the ice Joathen nails him with one that busted Bouchard wide open. |
bhampton1017
1 fight review
Apr 13, 2006 17:12 ET | Stan Jonathan decisive win | Fun
10 |
| I remember watching this fight as an 11 yo - Jonathan just wasted Bouchard. Towards the end Jonathan got his left hand loose and just fired off like 3-5 quick lefts - the last one snapped Pierre's head back and the blood gates opened. The linesmen stepped in just as the Wensink Lupien undercard started. I saw it on WSBK - Fred Cusick was awesome calling the fight! |
bigbadbruins
1 fight review
Aug 18, 2006 23:14 ET | Stan Jonathan win by KO | Fun
10 |
| someone reviewed this fight as being even ??? most of bouchards punches landed on helmet, were as jonathan (being small and punching up at the much bigger opponent) atleas6t somewhat landed. Coming from a highly french/canadian neighborhood of a boston suburb, I was finally able to point to the B's winning (with no question) something against the hated habs. |
ethanducksfan
450 fight reviews
Jan 28, 2007 01:53 ET | Stan Jonathan decisive win | Fun
10 |
| they go toe to toe then bouchard goes off balance and jonathan knocks him down and connects with a haymaker while their on the ground which cuts him and blood goes everywhere |
lilburtis9363
874 fight reviews
Mar 5, 2007 22:34 ET | Stan Jonathan win by KO | Fun
9 |
| great fight, they go toe to toe with rights, then jonathan switches to the left and drops bouchard and gets him again while hes down and blood is everywhere |
Owned33
438 fight reviews
1 fight log
Mar 20, 2007 17:32 ET | Stan Jonathan decisive win | Fun
9 |
| Great toe-to-toe fight, saw it on Don Cherrys 17, I'm also going to have to agree with Billiam, it looked like Bouched lost his balance. |
RedWingsWereTough
247 fight reviews
Jul 16, 2007 21:51 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
10 |
| That last shot looked like it landed flush to the face of Bouchard and put him down. I think it's a TKO |
FightDR.
4 fight reviews
Jul 8, 2008 20:40 ET | Stan Jonathan win by KO | Fun
10 |
| Stan gets manhandled right off the bat, ducks under Bouchards first right and counters with a solid right on Bouchard's chin. To Bouchards credit he doesn't seemed fazed. Now both fighters are exchangeing rights but neither can find their range, if you watch close you can see Stan pulling himself closer with the left and getting into range, then Stan lands a solid right to Bouchards temple, eye, cheek area and this starts the begining of a quick end. Bouchard seems stuned and Stan does his pattened hand switch and nails Bouchard with a left right on the chin ! The rest is history! What is so impressive about Stan is that he's going T2T with a huge guy and he's useing his weak hand ! No one was better at that than Jonathan! |
itsJ.Millertime
1670 fight reviews
Aug 23, 2008 14:15 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
9 |
| Classic bout with Jonathan landing some devastating punches on Bouchard knocking him down and bloodying his face. |
Hietanen
560 fight reviews
Nov 24, 2008 05:29 ET | Stan Jonathan win by KO | Fun
8 |
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mi44
545 fight reviews
Jul 15, 2009 23:16 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
10 |
| Jonathan destroyed Bouchard, and this has to be one of the bloodiest fights ever |
Scott1985
14 fight reviews
Jan 14, 2011 15:04 ET | Stan Jonathan win by TKO | Fun
10 |
The two really go at it, trading punches! But soon, it Jonathan who lands some deadly left hands, the telling blows, and Bouchard is overmatched! Not long before he goes down, HARD!
John D'Amico (What did he do to deserve this?) and the other linesmen move in. D'Amico gets what looks like a skate to the nose and really ends up worse than Bouchard, who is also cut pretty bad! |
FrAn6
2477 fight reviews
Apr 22, 2012 10:45 ET | Stan Jonathan win by KO | Fun
10 |
| Bouchard IMMEDIATELY FELT when he received the Jonathan's left punch directely on the nose and it crushed him to the ice. Bouchard took some times before getting up. Furthermore, he seemed to be daze and confused. Anyway, BRUTAL ending for a fight. A K.O. |
michiann
3395 fight reviews
May 11, 2012 20:11 ET | Stan Jonathan win by KO | Fun
N/A |
Obviously this should be classified as a "KO" because Bouchard was bleeding when conspicuously he was unable to continue while laying on the ice. Then even after he stands up, he's being attended to by the ref and team-staff while Bouchard is holding a towel over his face in order to try and stop the bleeding.
This fight started when Jonathan goes looking for trouble, so he physically harasses Bouchard when Jonathan skates side-by-side with Bouchard and then deliberately shoves him from the side of the body. That's when Bouchard shoves back and then Jonathan shoves Bouchard in the face. This initiates the fisticuffs as both guys go toe-to-toe. Bouchard launches downhill facial-bombs while Jonathan launches uphill facial-bombs because of their differences in height. Jonathan then lands the KO punch into the nose of Bouchard that collapses Bouchard. Bouchard looked disabled at this point in time but then quickly afterwards, Jonathan "rubs salt into the wound" by blasting him in the face with another big facial-punch again while Bouchard was horizontal on the ice ... even more blood is seen splattering in the air. Easily classified as a KO.
I'm not criticizing Jonathan for belting Bouchard after he was down on the ice because rage takes control over a person's mind during some hateful fights so that the person becomes a punching-machine and you can't control the swinging-away while "going in for the kill". Besides, Bouchard is built like a battleship, so Jonathan had to make sure that Bouchard lost this fight. Historical & legendary fight. |
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Penzlover
Nov 27, 2005 13:50 ET | I agree with Billiam on this one. I recall the fight being more even than a lot of people seem to think. Bouchard and Jonathan were going toe-to-toe, and it was a pretty even affair until the end, when Jonathan landed a huge shot to drop Bouchard. No doubt the finishing salvo was a killer. It was a great fight. | Reply |
Anonymous
Aug 25, 2006 10:02 ET | Bouchard had a good sense of humour about it. The next day in the paper he was quoted as saying, " I thought I did a good job blocking his punches with my face". | Reply |
Billiam
Sep 13, 2006 18:33 ET | "Boy, does Pierre start off great. He is lifting Stan off the ice and throwing him around. I'm on the bench and I say, "Uh-oh, Stan looks like he's bitten off more than he can chew. Get ready, boys."
I can't let Stan take this rap.
All of a sudden, Stan switches hands, from a righty to a lefty. This is tough for Pierre and it catches him off balance. It was doubly tough with Stan. He could KO you with either hand."
Don Cherry's view of the fight. (last article)
http://www.prohockeyfights.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=241 | Reply |
lilburtis9363
Mar 5, 2007 22:32 ET | | Reply |
pluguglies
May 23, 2008 06:56 ET | Thaanks for the clip. I've never seen that before. | Reply |
chrisY2J
Jul 8, 2008 21:07 ET | Thanks for posting this excellent footage!
By the way, I just want to clear up a common misconception. One of the linesmen has blood on his face when the fight's over. Many people think that it was Bouchard's blood all over him. But that isn't true. That linesman got clipped by a stick when all the players gathered around and started shoving.
Look at this new footage. After the fight is done and everyone gets sent to the boxes or dressing rooms, you can see the linesman's face clearly has a big cut on it. | Reply |
SarcasticPillow
Jun 6, 2009 00:41 ET | Both fights at the time.
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Sittler27
Jan 26, 2010 04:28 ET | http://img402.images...bouchardjonathan.jpg | Reply |
jasnpast
Jan 28, 2010 14:24 ET | John D'Amico, the linesman, may have been cut when he and the other linesman were wrestling Jonathan and Bouchard apart. Watch when the second linesman is moving Jonathan away; it looks as though someone's skate blade may have cut D'Amico as he facing down on top of Bouchard... | Reply |
jasnpast
Jan 28, 2010 14:37 ET | Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm right... watch Linesman #2 - Claude Bechard's right skate comes up and catches D'Amico in the forehead, just as C. Bechard takes his first stride, pushing Stan Jonathan away from Pierre Bouchard and John D'Amico. By the way, it may also be that Bouchard smacked his face nose-first off the ice after Jonathan knocked him down, starting the blood-gusher, although it's more fun to think of fiesty Stan Jonathan's right-left combinations being responsible... | Reply |
chrisY2J
Jan 30, 2010 07:40 ET | Yeah, that cut looks pretty severe, so a skate certainly could have been responsible for it.
Thanks for posting that pic, Sittler. That photo really captured a classic moment! | Reply |
Sittler27
Mar 13, 2010 19:12 ET | http://img519.images...723/bosvsmon1978.jpg | Reply |
michiann
May 11, 2012 16:13 ET | I nicely private messaged you a day or two ago about how you can call this a "tko" when in fact, its clearly a "KO" since Bouchard was bleeding profusely while laying down on the ice and he was clearly disabled from it. Even after he was helped to his feet, the ref and team-staff attended to him with the towel over his face in order to try and stop the bleeding.
You're an experienced hockey reviewer here, so you should label this fight correctly (gently-said). | Reply |
SarcasticPillow
May 11, 2012 17:36 ET | There's no doubt in my eyes that Pierre Bouchard wasn't able to continue when the linesmen broke up the fight. There's also little doubt in my mind that it was Stan Jonathan's left that dropped Bouchard.
What I do have my doubts about is whether it was the same punch that dropped Bouchard that hurt him enough to make him unable to continue. Jonathan's punches after Bouchard went down could very well have been the cause of that. Since I'm not absolutely certain on which punch it was I decided to go with a TKO win.
A KO win is certainly arguable though I just think calling it a TKO is more appropriate (or safer if you prefer that).
That's all I'll say on this matter. | Reply |
michiann
May 12, 2012 08:02 ET | | There's no doubt in my eyes that Pierre Bouchard wasn't able to continue when the linesmen broke up the fight. There's also little doubt in my mind that it was Stan Jonathan's left that dropped Bouchard.
What I do have my doubts about is whether it was the same punch that dropped Bouchard that hurt him enough to make him unable to continue. Jonathan's punches after Bouchard went down could very well have been the cause of that. Since I'm not absolutely certain on which punch it was I decided to go with a TKO win.
A KO win is certainly arguable though I just think calling it a TKO is more appropriate (or safer if you prefer that).
That's all I'll say on this matter. |
Well, the answer to your doubt is if you look at the following key occurence: watch the right arm of Bouchard from the moment of Jonathan's bomb-punch to even after Jonathan lands his next facial-punch after Bouchard's body is already horizontal on the ice. If Bouchard was cognitive, his right arm with right-hand would have been trying to do either of the following: cover up his face (in defense) from more punches by Jonathan; or punch back at Jonathan. Instead, his right arm stays vertically up (without even flinching !!) as if it was paralyzed ... then even when John D'mico is draped over him, that same right arm is still staying vertically up as if its paralyzed (instead of motioning it over to his own face) ... but its not paralysis per se, it's because the brain of Bouchard is "busy in shock" from the impact of Jonathan's last bomb while both guys were standing, just before Bouchard collapsed.
The preceding is insight into this historical fight. So, you can bet your bottom dollar that proclaiming this as a KO is the correct description while feeling safe about ultimately labeling it as a "KO". | Reply |
BIGED699
Mar 21 10:03 ET | Bouchard only fought 1 more time after this fight. | Reply |